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Kay

Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:15 pm Click here to edit this post
Water FAQs
http://www.epa.gov/OGWDW/faq/faq.html

How To Store Water
http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/LTAH_Water_Store3.html

Emergency Water Storage
http://waltonfeed.com/self/water.html

Water Purification
http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/LTAH_Water_Pure2.html

Finding Survival Water
http://www.millennium-ark.net/News_Files/Water/Finding_Survival_Water1.html

Miscellaneous Water Links
http://www.cairns.net.au/~sharefin/Markets/Alt9.htm

Map Of 20 Most Important US Aquifers
http://water.usgs.gov/pubs/FS/FS-116-99/images/sumapnames.gif

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Shawnee

Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 12:47 pm Click here to edit this post
Drop By Drop As The Water Runs
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/drop.html

Storing Water In Tight Places
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/watertig.html

Emergency Water Storage
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/emergwater.html

Water Storage
Plastic bottle storage vs. metalized plastic bags
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/waterstorage.html

Water Filters Vs. Water Purifiers
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/filvpur1.html

Nasties In The Water
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/nastywater.html

Water Purification
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/waterpur.html

Water Challenge
http://www.beprepared.com/Articles/waterchal.html

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Steve Stock

Saturday, September 06, 2003 - 11:53 am Click here to edit this post
What It’s Like With No Water—Iraq Report
http://www.rense.com/general41/nowater.htm

An Iraqi woman wrote:

No running water all day today. Horrible. Usually there are at least a few hours of running water, today there's none. E. went out and asked if there was perhaps a pipe broken? The neighbors have no idea. Everyone is annoyed beyond reason.

A word of advice: never take water for granted. Every time you wash your hands in cold, clean, clear water- say a prayer of thanks to whatever deity you revere. Every time you drink fresh, odorless water- say the same prayer. Never throw out the clean water remaining in your glass- water a plant, give it to the cat, throw it out into the garden· whatever. Never take it for granted.

Luckily, yesterday I filled all the water bottles. We have dozens of water bottles, both glass and plastic. Every time there was even a semblance of running water, we put something under the faucet to catch the precious drops. We fill bottles, pots, thermoses, buckets- anything that will hold water. Some days are better than others.

The problem is this: when the electricity is off, the municipal water pumps don’t work- the water pressure is so low, the water won’t go up the faucet. When there IS electricity, everyone starts up their own, personal, water pumps to fill the water tanks on the roof and the water pressure drops again.

Washing clothes is a trial. Automatic washers are obsolete—useless. The best washers to use are those little 'National' washers. They look like small garbage bins. You fill them with water and detergent and throw the clothes in. The clothes rotate and swish for about 10 minutes (there has to be electricity). We pull them out, rinse them in clean water and wring out the excess water. The excess water goes back into the washer. After the washing is done, the dirty soap water is used to wash the tiled driveway.

Washing dishes is another problem. We try to limit the use of dishes to what is absolutely necessary. Most of the water we store in buckets and tubs is used to wash people. We wash using the old-fashioned way—a smallish tub full of water, a ladle, a loofah, soap and shampoo. The problem is that because of the heat, everyone wants to wash at least twice a day. The best time to wash is right before going to bed because for a few heavenly minutes after you wash, you feel cool enough to try to sleep. I have forgotten the delights of a shower...

Before the war, many people dug wells in their gardens. These wells don't look like your traditional well—a circular, stone wall with a bucket hanging in the middle. They are merely small, unpretentious holes in the ground to which mechanical pumps are attached. They provide a more or less decent water supply. The water has to be boiled or chlorinated to be used for drinking.

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Vaughn Robison (Vrobison)

Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 04:07 pm Click here to edit this post
NEWS FLASH!!! See:
Deseret Morning News, Section B-1, "Utah" section, "Fluoride finally here--almost", where it tells us that the entire tap-water system in SL County will have fluoride added to the water as of October 1st. "(Patti Pavey, Executive Director of SL Valley Health Dept.) She also hopes that the long-standing dispute about whether or not fluoridated water is safe will finally be laid to rest, despite changes made by the Utah Legislature earlier this year that will allow for revotes on fluoridated water every other year. 'Once the fluoride is in the water, and it does not taste or smell funny---which it won't---the anti-fluoride (people) will probably move on to something else,' she said."

We were not aware that the people in SL County "voted" for fluoride in the water--in fact, we remember that it was voted against, so anybody who can explain this, it would be greatly appreciated.

Europe, after many years of fluoride in their water, has learned how dibilitating it is and have banned it!! The "pro-fluoride" people have never denied that it produces early senility and alzheimers, and there's plenty of documentation to show a sharp increase in broken bones as soon as it is added to the water of any population. The Kansas licensing board for preschools and daycare sent out printed notices for all owners of these centers to be sure the little ones did not swallow the toothpaste while learning to brush their teeth because of the fluoride in the toothpaste and that it would cause death, which they did not want to be liable for and were sending out written notices to be absolved from any potential lawsuits. We also have documented accounts of athletes, and more recently, our troops in the Middle East over-dosing on just drinking water alone on a hot day which caused their death---there is no way to control the dosage of fluoride in the water, which poses another danger (assuming it's "medication" as they would have us believe).

Yesterday's above-mentioned newspaper article stresses that they have been working very hard the last 3 years to make sure the fluoride is "not harmful." Did the "voters" agree to have fluoride within 3 years if "they" could make it "not harmful??"

And since fluoride is a by-product of aluminum, lobbied by the Alcoa Aluminum, Inc., known to be used as rat poison, how does one make it "not harmful" whether it's taken 3 years or 3 centuries to do so??

Any comments, please? Thank you.

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Kay

Sunday, September 07, 2003 - 04:53 pm Click here to edit this post
Here are some comments from http://www.nofluoride.com/, which I agree with completely.

“I would advise against fluoridation . . . Side-effects cannot be excluded . . . In Sweden, the emphasis nowadays is to keep the environment as clean as possible with regard to pharmacologically active and, thus, potentially toxic substances."
- Dr. Arvid Carlsson, co-winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine (2000)

“The American Medical Association is NOT prepared to state that no harm will be done to any person by water fluoridation. The AMA has not carried out any research work, either long-term or short-term, regarding the possibility of any side effects.” - Dr. Flanagan, Assistant Director of Environmental Health, American Medical Association.

"I am appalled at the prospect of using water as a vehicle for drugs. Fluoride is a corrosive poison that will produce serious effects on a long range basis. Any attempt to use water this way is deplorable." - Dr. Charles Gordon Heyd, Past President of the American Medical Association.

"E.P.A. should act immediately to protect the public, not just on the cancer data, but on the evidence of bone fractures, arthritis, mutagenicity and other effects." - Dr. William Marcus, Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A.

"Water contains a number of substances that are undesirable, and fluorides are just one of them," stated Dr. F. A. Bull, State Dental Director of Wisconsin, speaking at the Fourth Annual Conference of State Dental Directors.

More comments/quotes at http://www.nofluoride.com/quotes.htm

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Vaughn Robison (Vrobison)

Monday, September 08, 2003 - 03:03 pm Click here to edit this post
Appreciate your website and quotes from it. So, if the Senior Toxicologist at E.P.A.(see above quotes)has stated that the "EPA should act immediately to protect the public," can our EPA Director-Nominee, Gov. Mike Leavitt, be persuaded to act on behalf of protecting the Utah public??

And what about the TV news coverage the other night showing our leaders patting themselves on the back about TOXIC run-off water from Kennecott Copper Mine going to be "treated" and released to us for our SL drinking water??

What can we "voters" do?? One voice is not enough.

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Eden

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 01:50 pm Click here to edit this post
From "Paranoid and Prudent: Chaos Looms, Be Prepared"
http://www.rense.com/general41/pru.htm

Re: Toronto blackout during summer 2003 and no water. Excerpt:

People living in most high-rise apartments lost water immediately with the power outage, because water pressure in the citywide system is insufficient to reach the upper floors. High-rises pump water to upper floors, and most of those pumps went down.

The rest of us enjoyed normal water service during the blackout, because the water comes from reservoirs and arrives courtesy of gravity (some people even continued watering lawns). But the reservoirs themselves require filling from the city's water-treatment plants, and those plants lost power to their major pumps as well, with no backup to keep them going.

In an interview on CBC Radio the morning after the blackout, Toronto water officials indicated that reservoir levels had declined to less than 50 per cent by the dead of night, and, had power not been quickly restored, would have run to bottom within a couple of days.

No water to drink for 2.5 million people living cheek by jowl. No water to flush the toilets. No water for the fire hydrants. Threatened by accidents and arsonists, and desperate for water, an entire city would go looking for it. Happily, Toronto exists on a fresh-water lake, so options exist in bucket brigades. But the scene would have become predictably ugly quickly…

Without heat (one day), water (three days) and food (five days), what would happen to social order in a city of 2.5 million souls? Surely, with the terrorist and systemic risks to our power supply, not to mention ice storms, and the horrifying scenarios of social disorder that so easily come to mind, we should consider these questions now and even urgently. Paranoia is not the same as prudence, which is sometimes ignored so as not to seem paranoiac.

Water is the most important thing, which suggests two immediate strategies: Reliable, robust backup power capacity is essential to the water system, capable of keeping it functional for at least 60 days. That should be a sine qua non in all major cities.

And households should stock drinking water sufficient for at least two weeks in the event of system failures…

Read the rest of the story and more preparation tips at http://www.rense.com/general41/pru.htm

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Vaughn Robison (Vrobison)

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 05:16 pm Click here to edit this post
Just found these websites about the citizens against fluoride class-action lawsuit, Plaintiff, vs. Los Angeles, Defendant, when Los Angeles put fluoride in their city water in 1999. Can't seem to find out who won from these websites.

However, the lawsuit website cites 22 causes of action against having fluoride and against the city's illegal strategies to put fluoride in the water. Perhaps this filed lawsuit could be used as a template for Utah citizens against fluoride??

http://vivisimo.com/search?query=fluoride+Los+Angeles&v%3Asources=MSN%2CNetscape%2CLycos%2CLooksmart%2COverture&x=48&y=20

http://www.nofluoride.com/la_complaint.htm

http://www.nofluoride.com/la_hearing_notice.htm

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Kay

Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:37 pm Click here to edit this post
The Los Angeles/fluoride case Vaughn mentioned is listed as one of the “top 25 censored stories of 1998.” (Source: http://ishgooda.nativeweb.org/nuclear/ensfluoride.html)

The case ended as you might expect:

“In Los Angeles, where the City Council late in 1998 had approved fluoridation, the plans hit a snag. A lawsuit contended that the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power hadn’t provided sufficient notice to the public of its plans to fluoridate the city’s water supply, delaying the project. On Nov. 16, a Los Angeles Superior Court judge threw out the lawsuit seeking to reverse that city’s plan to fluoridate, thereby supporting community water fluoridation. Meanwhile, in the north state, Yuba City received an $81,000 grant from the Sacramento-based Sierra Health Foundation to help pay for equipment to fluoridate that city’s water system...” (from http://www.cda.org/member/pubs/journal/jour0100/year.html)

The definition of fluorine in the American Heritage Dictionary: "A ...highly corrosive, poisonous...element, the...most reactive of all the elements..."

William Dailey, a Westside attorney specializing in food, drug, and licensure law, filed a 1999 court action on behalf of Citizens for Safe Drinking Water against the city of Los Angeles. http://www.healthy.net

Santa Monica Mirror: The Case Against Fluoride
http://www.smmirror.com/volume2/issue21/point_of_view.html

Here are some interesting—but frightening—findings about fluoride:

“While going over hundreds of declassified documents about the U.S. atomic bomb development program, the Manhattan Project, reporters Joel Griffiths and Chris Bryson found that fluoride was the key chemical in atomic bomb production. Millions of tons were subsequently used during the Cold War period to manufacture the high-grade uranium and plutonium for nuclear weapons.

Fluoride was the top chemical hazard of the U.S. nuclear weapons program, not only for workers, but for those living in nearby communities as well.

The documents show that the first U.S. lawsuits levied against the atomic weapons program were over fluoride poisoning, not radiation damage. The documents reveal that the U.S. government secretly ordered atomic bomb scientists to create 'evidence useful in litigation' against defense contractors who were being accused of injuring citizens with fluoride . . .”

(Full story at Healing Our World: Weekly Comment; Fluoride—Poison In The Water? By Jackie Alan Giuliano, Ph.D. http://ishgooda.nativeweb.org/nuclear/ensfluoride.html)

At the end of this article above the author lists these resources:

RESOURCES
1. An excellent summary of the key points against fluoride is at http://www.nofluoride.com/summary.htm

2. Visit the following websites for details about the controversy of fluoride:
· Fluoride and the A-bomb program: http://www.icom.net/~nexus/fluoridebomb.html
· Disaster at Donora: http://www.cadvision.com/Home_Pages/accounts/babiuk/donora.htm
· an excellent site at http://www.cadvision.com/fluoride/index.htm
· the findings of a study done by a Massachusetts town considering fluoridation: http://www.cadvision.com/Home_Pages/accounts/babiuk/natick.htm
· risks and benefits: http://www.cadvision.com/fluoride/calgaryh.htm
· Fluoride Information Index at http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/
· a very thorough article: http://www.icnr.com/FluoridePres/FluoridationOverdose.html

3. Read about all the sources of fluoride we encounter in a day in this referenced fictional piece at http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/brou.htm

4. What you can do to decrease your own personal exposure and that of your family:
· Find out if your community's water supply is fluoridated. If so, use bottled water for drinking and cooking. Boiling will not remove fluoride - it will only concentrate it. Don't give it to your pets either. Don't use it for baby formula. You should probably do this anyway whether or not fluoride is present.
· Use non-fluoride toothpastes. There are many on the market. Try a health food store rather than the supermarket.
· DO NOT swallow your toothpaste if you are using a brand with fluoride.

5. If you are experiencing tooth sensitivities and you have found the fluoride gels your dentist has prescribed helpful, you can still get relief in a number of other ways. Visit the following sites for help:
· http://www.saveyoursmile.com/healtharticles/sensitiveteeth.html
· http://www.betterwebbuilders.com/sensitiveteeth.html
· Visit the Preventative Dental Health Association at http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/health.htm

6. Find out how to organize your community from http://www.nofluoride.com/

7. Find out who your Congressional representatives are and e-mail them. Demand federal intervention to stop fluoridation. If you know your Zip code, you can find them at http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ziptoit.html or you can search by state at http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html. You can also find your representatives at http://congress.nw.dc.us/innovate/index.html

8. Learn about the issues. A great alternative bookstore is Powell’s Bookstore in Portland, Oregon at http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/associate?assoc_id=212 where you will find a wonderful alternative to the massive chain bookstores taking over the market.

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Vaughn Robison (Vrobison)

Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 11:34 pm Click here to edit this post
Below is a link to an article in the Deseret Morning News that was published December 15, 2004 which explains that when hydrofluorosilicic acid (AKA: fluoride) was added to the water in Riverton Utah it was so corrosive, so caustic that: "the plastic piping and copper joints have begun to corrode" and this is supposedly referring to the pipes within the water facility where this toxin was being added to the water. This alarmed the water workers to such an extent that they feared for their very lives.

The supervisor says he will not put hydrofluorosilicic acid back into the water system unless, and until, a judge orders him to do so. If this is what this "highly diluted" toxic waste is doing to PVC and copper pipes then what is it doing to the circuits of your brain and the rest of your body?

One drop of this stuff on human skin, in its pure form, is enough to kill an adult. What is it going to take to wake up these lemmings?

This should convince any reasonable person that this substance does not belong in our water, regardless of whether it's a “governmentally approved poison" or not.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595112539,00.html

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Steve Stock (Steveandkaystoc)

Monday, January 03, 2005 - 06:00 pm Click here to edit this post
How Safe Is Your Drinking Water?
http://www.rense.com/general61/safe.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1230/p14s01-sten.html

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David Haynes (Haynesdavid)

Monday, January 10, 2005 - 12:33 am Click here to edit this post
I own one of these and a spare filter.

In emergencies, when nothing else is available
but a mud puddle >>> it can save your family and yer cat. :*) . Hand pumped micron filtered. Small
sized to fit a hip pack.

No links provided. Search " Katadyn Pocket Water Filter ".


Katadyn Pocket Water Filter
For nearly 30 years, this filter has held the reputation of being the finest available for extreme conditions on treks, expeditions, world travel and disaster relief. It is exceptional for heavy use on unsure water sources with dangerous pathogens and will remove all bacteria and protozoa (including Giardia and Cryptosporidium). Includes 40" inlet hose, cordura case, cleaning device and measuring gauge.

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Kay Camden (Kay)

Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 05:33 pm Click here to edit this post
Following Hurricane Katrina:

What’s in the New Orleans water?

Microbiologist Paul Pearce found total sewage bacteria in a water sample from in New Orleans' Ninth Ward to be 45,000 times what would be considered safe for swimming in a pond or a lake. The Ninth Ward was one of the city's hardest-hit neighborhoods. "In terms of total microorganisms in floodwater, this is about as bad as it can get," Pearce told ABC News. Pearce also found 2.2 million parts per unit of human waste bacteria in the floodwater, which is off the charts… The precise extent of the contamination is not yet known. Louisiana's chief environmental officer today said there is no evidence yet that the New Orleans waterways are a toxic wasteland. He acknowledged the presence of fecal matter, fuel, oil and other contaminants, but said testing had not detected traces of truly toxic substances like pesticides and metals. A full analysis is expected in two days…

Full article at
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1101220

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Jake Coltrane (Jakecoltrane)

Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 11:11 am Click here to edit this post
American Rivers at Risk: The Water Wars

Battles over water are erupting all over the country. "I think we are starting to see that rivers can die." - The Hartford Courant
http://www.millennium-ark.net/NEWS/05_Food_Water/051025.water.wars.html

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Kay Camden (Kay)

Monday, January 16, 2006 - 10:22 am Click here to edit this post
Water Remembers Every Word You Say!

One day theoretical science will no longer have doubts about water's memory while high tech specialists will be making "water" computers controlled by telepathy.
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/16739_water.html

See also:

Computers Estimate Emotions

Techniques could enable the digital servant to respond to the mood of its human master.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060108232252.htm

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Kris Camden (Midnightmoon)

Friday, March 03, 2006 - 12:13 pm Click here to edit this post
Blue Gold

The global water crisis and the commodification of the world's water supply…A Special Report issued by the International Forum on Globalization (IFG).
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Water/Introduction_BG.html

U.K.'s Reid Warns of Looming Water Wars

Climate change could become a major source of global conflict over the next 30 years, with countries battling for control of water supplies, British Defense Secretary John Reid has warned.
http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060228-014452-8140r
http://millennium-ark.net/NEWS/06_Earth_Changes/060302.water.wars.html

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Kay Camden (Kay)

Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 06:14 pm Click here to edit this post
The Poison Lurking In Your Water Bottle

A potentially deadly toxin is being absorbed into bottled mineral water from their plastic containers. And the longer the water is stored, the levels of poison increase, research reveals. As the sell-by date on many bottled waters is up to two years, scientists have now called for extensive further studies.

The research by world expert Dr William Shotyk - who has vowed never to drink bottled water again - will be published in the Royal Society of Chemistry's journal next month. It is sure to revive concerns about the safety of bottled water, the world's fastest-growing drinks industry, worth £1.2billion a year.

Full article at
http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/lead-story379.htm

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Ralph Hughes (Rhughes)

Monday, March 13, 2006 - 02:46 am Click here to edit this post
We have Qty-6 55 gallon plastic drums in which we store tap water for 2-4 weeks before draining it into our garden or around our fruit trees. Our trees and garden require frequent watering here in Arizona, and this system keeps fresh water available at all times. We've had the drums filled with water since 1998, and I would think that if there were any migration of chemicals from the parent plastic into the water that the drums would evidence deterioration, which we have not noticed.

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Jake Coltrane (Jakecoltrane)

Friday, April 14, 2006 - 07:55 am Click here to edit this post
Microwaved Water - See What It Does To Plants

To all you microwave users out there: Check out these pictures at the link below. After you look at the photos, ask yourself: What do you think you do to your body’s organs when you eat microwaved food or drink? Ready to throw your microwave in the trash and return to a regular stove to prepare your food now?
http://www.rense.com/general70/microwaved.htm


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